The Official Guitar Gear and Discussion Thread

[Blindreepr]

I recently picked up a Zoom G9.2tt

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/1b91cee7edabb477d6e4c70fed5a272d.jpg

And I have to say, so far it's pretty freakin' legit.

I've never really used a Zoom product before but based on this one I'm quite impressed. It's 5150 model sounds nearly the same as my real 5150 and the ENGL, Deizel and Rectifier models are all pretty fun as well. I haven't even really had time to mess with all the effects yet even.

I'm thinking my next purchase will be a used Ampeg VT-22. That 600 dollar tax rebate can't come soon enough.

[Mothek]

Pretty sweet piece of gear. Got one about a year ago but mostly use it with a bass guitar right now. The muff model with a bass = awesome

[flipp jackson]

i was never too fond for multi effects units

[gtrplyr7]

I am now the proud owner of an Orange Rockerverb 50 head and 2x12 cab.

My new problem:

It doesn't come with a footswitch, and the Orange footswitch will only control either channel switching or reverb on/off. I'd rather not buy 2 pedals JUST to control the amp's features.

Does anyone make a decent 2 button footswitch with outputs so I can control both the channel switching and the reverb?

Also, I'm looking to put together a nice pedal board. I want a delay and perhaps a boost pedal. Any suggestions?
I may be adding a Twin Reverb to my arsenal as well, so pedals that would work well with that would be cool as well.

[GRANOLEMAN]

This thread lacks GOMERSTACHE.

[Wally Cleaver]

I'm thinking my next purchase will be a used Ampeg VT-22. That 600 dollar tax rebate can't come soon enough.

My buddy has a VT-22 that he runs his Zoom g2.1u. It's a sweet sounding setup.

[Sommy]

I am now the proud owner of an Orange Rockerverb 50 head and 2x12 cab.

My new problem:

It doesn't come with a footswitch, and the Orange footswitch will only control either channel switching or reverb on/off. I'd rather not buy 2 pedals JUST to control the amp's features.

Does anyone make a decent 2 button footswitch with outputs so I can control both the channel switching and the reverb?

Also, I'm looking to put together a nice pedal board. I want a delay and perhaps a boost pedal. Any suggestions?
I may be adding a Twin Reverb to my arsenal as well, so pedals that would work well with that would be cool as well.

Boss does, but really, how often are you going to be switching the reverb on and off?

Any latching style footswitch should work fine for either single function.

How does the amp sound?

This thread lacks GOMERSTACHE.

DUDE HE FUCKING CAME IN TO WORK TODAY I HADN'T SEEN HIM IN LIKE TWO MONTHS

As soon as I saw him, I fucking went the otherway with the biggest shit eating grin on my face yelling to random employees "THE CRUSTACHE IS UPON US"

[defhalotones]

hey, looking for the best bass guitar effect pedal for under $100. What would ya go with?

[Blindreepr]

Also, I'm looking to put together a nice pedal board. I want a delay and perhaps a boost pedal. Any suggestions?

Congrats on the Orange, I was looking at one of those Tiny Terror's myself.

As fas as boosting goes you could always throw in an EQ Pedal into your chain. I hear MXR makes a good pedal just for "boosting". I've never had any complaints about pedals from them.

[Sommy]

I am now the proud owner of an Orange Rockerverb 50 head and 2x12 cab.

My new problem:

It doesn't come with a footswitch, and the Orange footswitch will only control either channel switching or reverb on/off. I'd rather not buy 2 pedals JUST to control the amp's features.

Does anyone make a decent 2 button footswitch with outputs so I can control both the channel switching and the reverb?

Also, I'm looking to put together a nice pedal board. I want a delay and perhaps a boost pedal. Any suggestions?
I may be adding a Twin Reverb to my arsenal as well, so pedals that would work well with that would be cool as well.

Also, gotta warn you -- the Orange doesn't really take a boost well. It will work, but you've got to really tweak. I just got a Fulltone OCD, and event that requires a lot of tweaking.

BTW, you're really close to copying my amp setup here. '02 Evil Twin and a Rockerverb 100, son.

hey, looking for the best bass guitar effect pedal for under $100. What would ya go with?

Just get a Big Muff :cool:

Can't go wrong.

[Wally Cleaver]

Sommy... dunno if it was you or not, but were you involved in a project called "Roxanne Jean Polise" (I think that's what it was called). Ambient/experimental stuff? I remember waaay back a track being posted on the prp.

If so, that shit was ill. :cool:

[n!k )))]

http://home.comcast.net/~n.leners/sunnmonolith2.jpg
2007 Gibson Thunderbird
1971 Sunn Coliseum Bass
1970's Sunn 612S 6x12 (with Eminence Delta Bass 12"s)
1970's Sunn 215M 2x15 (with Jensen MOD 15"s)

Voodoo Lab Superfuzz

I need to work on my effects after a clearing out.

[Boredom Is Reached]

i have the option of buying a PRS santana ....for $550 .. yay? or nay? i have seen pics..thats it.

[n!k )))]

Just get a Big Muff :cool:

Can't go wrong.

You can also grab the Tech 21 XXL pedal and the MXR Bass Blowtorch on eBay for under $100, both are good.

[the exploded rage]

i am learning to play guitar now .i got my guitarists ex guitar apollo :D he bought shecter hellraiser ,damn its good shit

[n!k )))]

do you have any pictures of your guitar rig, Agris?

[Tom]

Sommy... dunno if it was you or not, but were you involved in a project called "Roxanne Jean Polise" (I think that's what it was called). Ambient/experimental stuff? I remember waaay back a track being posted on the prp.

If so, that shit was ill. :cool:
that was steev

[WTA]

i ran my c64 through a blowtorch and it sounded like a greasy fart

in a bad way

[Wally Cleaver]

that was steev

Thanks Tom. I'm going to have seek out more of his shit.

[the exploded rage]

do you have any pictures of your guitar rig, Agris?
no i dont have but i will take a pic when someone with a cam will come to my house

[Tom]

Thanks Tom. I'm going to have seek out more of his shit.
he released a ton of stuff under various names
http://s92689593.onlinehome.us/xdey/rjp/disco.html

this is/was his label
http://www.discogs.com/label/X+Died+Enroute+Y

[n!k )))]

i used a product as it was not intended and it produced an undesirable result

`

[Thrash!]

gtrplyr, depending on the amount of money you have for a boost, my friend runs a Z.Vex Super Hard-On in his chain (through an Orange, no less) and it sounds great. They are a little pricey, however.

[Sommy]

Sommy... dunno if it was you or not, but were you involved in a project called "Roxanne Jean Polise" (I think that's what it was called). Ambient/experimental stuff? I remember waaay back a track being posted on the prp.

If so, that shit was ill. :cool:

No, that was Steev.

We were supposed to jam once, but we were both hungover that day.

I've been really tempted to buy one of these lately:

http://www.lapedale.fr/images_magasin/794_image_med_electro-harmonix-stereo-polyphase.jpg

Problem is, I don't want to dump my PolyChorus, and I don't have room for both. Something like the Stereo Clone Theory or the Stereo Electric Mistress would work, but they're also a hair too big.

My only gripe about the PolyChorus sound is that it doesn't have enough headroom in the input stages. It gets overloaded really easily and starts to distort in this weird way.

[Thrash!]

I'm thinking about getting a Q-Tron+ for my bass setup, I could definitely get some cool shit out of it but don't want to spend 250 on a pedal i'll use for 30 seconds in one song.

[MattyCakes]

so wait, ive been playing a triaxis at the studio on the weekends. are those presets pedals programmed into the amp like different pedals?

i think they are right, because sometimes i use the chorus and delay on the solo channel

[gnutella]

i'm surprised sommy didn't start this thread

[fagwhathappened]

This thread made me miss steev :(

[G-Wrath]

I just bought a rack for my bass gear, and by gear I mean amp cause I haven't bought the other stuff yet.

I got a MusicMan Sterling 4, a Warwick Corvette $$ 4 and a 5 string Ibanez thing (was killer when I was 12). amp is a Gallien Kruegar through a celestion loaded quad. Will be getting a dbx compressor when one is on ebay for cheap.

[Blindreepr]

I just bought a rack for my bass gear, and by gear I mean amp cause I haven't bought the other stuff yet.

I got a MusicMan Sterling 4, a Warwick Corvette $$ 4 and a 5 string Ibanez thing (was killer when I was 12). amp is a Gallien Kruegar through a celestion loaded quad. Will be getting a dbx compressor when one is on ebay for cheap.

When I played bass I used one of these

http://www.pssl.com/images/ProdImage01/250/M80.jpg

Seriously brought a whole new level of awesome to it.

[G-Wrath]

Dunno what it is, but it just looks like with a compressor with an EQ attached. I hate pedals though. I also own a high quality DI from LittleLabs.

[halftempo]

I have a mesa boogie mkIIb with a vertical 2x12 w/v30s
I love tube juice, when i bought this amp it came with some dank phillips 7581as, apparently some really awesome rareish power tubes.

[iamlark]

I'm wondering if anyone has used any guitar amp simulation software. I know it's cheating, but I don't have much of a choice right now. I've been using Amplitube 2 and have been getting some decent stuff out of it. Has anyone tried other programs?

[Sommy]

I'm wondering if anyone has used any guitar amp simulation software. I know it's cheating, but I don't have much of a choice right now. I've been using Amplitube 2 and have been getting some decent stuff out of it. Has anyone tried other programs?

I've used Guitar Rig a few times. It's alright, but the inherent problem with the technology is that the hardware will never have high enough head room to avoid clipping altogether, so even if the software is engineered well enough to simulate a tube clipping, it's still going to sound fake because you'll just clip the input of the audio interface at some point.

[saltoncity]

Still playing the same set-up I have for the last few years, Gibson Les Paul through a Marshall JCM 900 w/ matching cabinet. It gets the job done.

[halftempo]

what year is this jcm900?

sommy - you should not clip the hardware interface if it is solidstate. If the software is meant to simulate tube saturation, you need a clean input from the hardware (not clipping). Unless you meant some sorta hardware thing that is supposed to simulate that "tube sound" which is usually just a 12ax7 which isn't the tube sound at all. I get a laugh out of all those products.

also, simulating tube harmonics has proven to be a tough game for all these companies. tube amps should be cheaper and the world would smile.

[saltoncity]

what year is this jcm900?

I'm not sure. It's loud, though, and really, what else do you need? Well, actually, it's not loud enough. I'm thinking about getting a 100w head sometime in the near future, but things like that cost money, and I'm not made of money, damnit.

[iamlark]

I've used Guitar Rig a few times. It's alright, but the inherent problem with the technology is that the hardware will never have high enough head room to avoid clipping altogether, so even if the software is engineered well enough to simulate a tube clipping, it's still going to sound fake because you'll just clip the input of the audio interface at some point.

Is Guitar Rig the one made by Native Instruments? Like I said, I've been using the IK Multimedia's Amplitube, but I'm growing more interested in the Waves amp simulator software.

[n!k )))]

I'm not sure.

http://www.korgnorthwest.com/DATING%20MARSHALL%20PRODUCTS.htm

And this thread is useless without photos guys. We need more gear shots.

[Tom]

And this thread is useless without photos guys. We need more gear shots.
yeah guys, dude needs to get off bad, hook him up with pixxx

[n!k )))]

I jerk off to music gear to replace love in my life.

[Blindreepr]

I was thinking about picking up a looper. The only one i have experience with is the digitech jamman. Any other recommendations?

[Sommy]

I was thinking about picking up a looper. The only one i have experience with is the digitech jamman. Any other recommendations?

Depends what you're planning on doing with it. Are you just planning on saving loops and using them live? The JamMan is probably the best way to go, since the memory is infinitely expandable and you can save up to 99 patches per flash card (and I think it records at 44.1 khz). The RC-20 is an alright alternative for a little less, but you have a maximum of 12 patches and the quality is considerably lower.

The RC-50 is alright as a "save" type of live looper (in stereo), since you have more patches to work with, but it's not infinitely expandable like the JamMan is. However, there are more features, and the sound quality is also 44.1 khz. I love my EHX 2880, but it doesn't save patches -- you can only record one set of loops (on their own tracks) per card. However, it's a really, really powerful looping tool on par with something Robert Fripp might use.

what year is this jcm900?

sommy - you should not clip the hardware interface if it is solidstate. If the software is meant to simulate tube saturation, you need a clean input from the hardware (not clipping). Unless you meant some sorta hardware thing that is supposed to simulate that "tube sound" which is usually just a 12ax7 which isn't the tube sound at all. I get a laugh out of all those products.

also, simulating tube harmonics has proven to be a tough game for all these companies. tube amps should be cheaper and the world would smile.

I understand what you're saying, but aside from the rest of it, the bit about solid state technology not clipping is not necessarily true. There are quite a few interfaces that don't allow for very high input gain, and end up distorting if you put a really hot pedal in front of it, for instance. You can easily overdrive (unintentionally) the input on a mixing board if it's not set up appropriately, and it's still a delicate balance, since you want the loudest possible input signal without clipping.

[halftempo]

hmm that's pretty shitty engineering. Even if you have the hottest output pickups they should design it to handle that. I don't think these types of software emulators were meant to have a preamp(stompbox) before the preamp...that's what the software is for. That being typed, i think that it still should have the headroom to handle really hot instrument level inputs without clipping.

[Blindreepr]

I just picked this Ampeg R12R for 250 off craigslist. I'm pretty stoked.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/blindreepr/ampeg.jpg

[Cunt Banana]

http://www.godofguitar.com/images/jbslide.jpg

[defhalotones]

stupid question coming up guys: I just bought a Dean Playmate acoustic bass, and the action is fucking horrible. Its extremely low. How would i go about raising the action on this thing? I have never dealt with an acoustic guitar before.

http://theguitarreview.com/images/deanNaturalEAB.jpg

[Sommy]

stupid question coming up guys: I just bought a Dean Playmate acoustic bass, and the action is fucking horrible. Its extremely low. How would i go about raising the action on this thing? I have never dealt with an acoustic guitar before.

http://theguitarreview.com/images/deanNaturalEAB.jpg

Well, there are a couple of things you could do. If there is no bow in the neck, or if there is a backbow, you could loosen the truss rod. If that's not the case, putting a shim under the bridge will help. If that doesn't work, you'll need a new nut, since you generally can't just shim the nut (at least on most acoustic instruments, since it caps the top of the fretboard).

[defhalotones]

cool. Thanks Sommy. I'll check it out.

[defhalotones]

i also wanna put on a bridge cover on my guitar, im just worried about drilling into the guitar. They need to make bridges that screw onto the holes on your actual bridge.

[Blindreepr]

Well, I put up both my amps on eBay. Hoping to get enough money to get one really good amp.

Ampeg Reverberocket

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230240458636

Peavey 5150

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230240459082

I'll end the auctions early for PRP boarders. Make an offer somewhere around the starting bid and the buy it now and we can talk.

[n!k )))]

So now the question beckons: What amp are you seeking?

[chintzy]

stupid question coming up guys: I just bought a Dean Playmate acoustic bass, and the action is fucking horrible. Its extremely low. How would i go about raising the action on this thing? I have never dealt with an acoustic guitar before.

http://theguitarreview.com/images/deanNaturalEAB.jpg

these things are absolute pieces of shit by the way

[Blindreepr]

So now the question beckons: What amp are you seeking?

Mainly I'm looking at the Orange Rockerverb or a VHT Pitbull 50/CL. I will have to pony up some extra cash either way. I can't decide if I want to get away from the high gain stuff or not. That and I'm not quite ready to pay the prices that companies like Bad Cat and Engl are asking.

[MattyCakes]

Mainly I'm looking at the Orange Rockerverb or a VHT Pitbull 50/CL. I will have to pony up some extra cash either way. I can't decide if I want to get away from the high gain stuff or not. That and I'm not quite ready to pay the prices that companies like Bad Cat and Engl are asking.

jaycal gonna be on your ass in about 10 minutes

[gtrplyr7]

Mainly I'm looking at the Orange Rockerverb or a VHT Pitbull 50/CL. I will have to pony up some extra cash either way. I can't decide if I want to get away from the high gain stuff or not. That and I'm not quite ready to pay the prices that companies like Bad Cat and Engl are asking.

oh snap.

I just got a Rockerverb 50. Hasn't arrived yet,.

And I am also selling my 5150, which I never turned the gain past 2 anyway:)

Also, I saw your 5150 on ebay a few days ago...its awesome that people think its some rare model or something because you moved the "5150" 6 inches to the left haha.

[JayCal]

Mainly I'm looking at the Orange Rockerverb or a VHT Pitbull 50/CL. I will have to pony up some extra cash either way. I can't decide if I want to get away from the high gain stuff or not. That and I'm not quite ready to pay the prices that companies like Bad Cat and Engl are asking.

jaycal gonna be on your ass in about 10 minutes

Haha, yep. Hey man, I have a mint VHT Pittbull 50/CL that I might be selling.

[MattyCakes]

Haha, yep. Hey man, I have a mint VHT Pittbull 50/CL that I might be selling.

how much you want for it

[JayCal]

how much you want for it

Not sure yet, I need to check the used market, but probably something like $1300 shipped.

[gtrplyr7]

Lets talk bass amps.

I just bought a Fender P-Bass and need an amp.
I am not a bass player but know hwo to play...I just need a combo that will be loud enough to hang with a drummer and my 50-watt 2x12 Orange.

Looking to spend no more than a couple hundred. Who makes a decent bass amp? Fender? Galien Kreuger?

I imagine I need to stay away from Crate, etc...just like I would for a guitar amp.

[Sommy]

Lets talk bass amps.

I just bought a Fender P-Bass and need an amp.
I am not a bass player but know hwo to play...I just need a combo that will be loud enough to hang with a drummer and my 50-watt 2x12 Orange.

Looking to spend no more than a couple hundred. Who makes a decent bass amp? Fender? Galien Kreuger?

I imagine I need to stay away from Crate, etc...just like I would for a guitar amp.

Save a few extra bucks and get the Markbass 2x6 combo (or even the 1x12). Markbass is making hands-down the best engineered bass stuff on the market right now, and it is also some of the most portable shit out there as well. You might be able to find a used one too.

If you want something cheaper, the Line 6 ones actually aren't half bad for modeling amps, and the there's a little Fender for around $500 that has a decent built-in compressor.

[n!k )))]

bass combos are going to be puny for the "couple hundred bucks range." Especially to compete with an Orange head. Consider Ampeg's higher-watt combos (they have a 200W 1x15 for example) or be on the lookout for a used head / cabinet. I agree with Sommy about Markbass, except they reach peak volume quickly (at least the one I was trying) and look fucking stupid.

[Blindreepr]

Also, I saw your 5150 on ebay a few days ago...its awesome that people think its some rare model or something because you moved the "5150" 6 inches to the left haha.

Ya, people are quite ridiculous. I thought it was funny too, until I got bombarded with 50 questions all about the same thing.

Haha, yep. Hey man, I have a mint VHT Pittbull 50/CL that I might be selling.

Nice, I'll keep that in mind. I want to demo both the orange amp and the vht for a while and see which one I like more before I throw down over a grand on them. Unfortunately the only music shop we have around here is a local shop whose biggest brand they carry is Laney and Guitar Center who only stocks Mesa Boogie, Marshall and Fender amps. So I may have to drive out to the bay area before too long here.

[gtrplyr7]

yeah I'm now starting to look at Head/cab combos.

I was looking at the Gallien-Kreuger Backline 600 head which is 300W

I'll check out the Markbass stuff as well.

[Blindreepr]

I think the ampeg b2r or b2re runs pretty cheap used. That along with a 1x15 or 4x10 should be more than enough to get you by.

[God of Rapture]

I'm itchin' for one of these:

http://www.bergantino.com/images/nv610h_web.jpg

[flipp jackson]

not necessarily new and probably not the place to post this but I didn't want to start a new thread about it. Does anyone else think it's bullshit that some tab websites are being shut down by the MPA?

http://www.olga.net/

[gtrplyr7]

not necessarily new and probably not the place to post this but I didn't want to start a new thread about it. Does anyone else think it's bullshit that some tab websites are being shut down by the MPA?

http://www.olga.net/

This happened when I was in high school...

[flipp jackson]

This happened when I was in high school...
really? you were in high school on june 9, 2006? it's old, but it's not that old.

I was just wondering what people think of it

[gtrplyr7]

really? you were in high school on june 9, 2006? it's old, but it's not that old.

I was just wondering what people think of it

In 1996, EMI Publishing filed a complaint with UNLV, claiming that the archive was in breach of copyright law with songs they had the rights to. Although OLGA was never threatened directly, UNLV kicked the project off its server. Then in 1998, after a new home for the site was found, OLGA received a similar copyright complaint from the Harry Fox Agency. As a result, OLGA was forced to shut down, re-emerging later as OLGA incorporated, a registered non-profit organization dedicated to preserving the archive and providing for its bandwidth. The site prior to this final move is preserved as "the old archive," and contributions since the move are stored in "the new archive".

[flipp jackson]

http://www.olga.net/060621-nmpa-p1of6.jpg


sorry for mucking up whatever conversation you had going I just was wondering opinions on this since I hadn't realized that the site was shut down

[Blindreepr]

Tab sites being shut down forced me to learn to play by ear. Just sayin'

[csb]

stupid question coming up guys: I just bought a Dean Playmate acoustic bass, and the action is fucking horrible. Its extremely low. How would i go about raising the action on this thing? I have never dealt with an acoustic guitar before.

http://theguitarreview.com/images/deanNaturalEAB.jpg

should have got one of these, in natural finish of course.
http://www.chrisguitars.com/iban-aeb10-bk.jpg

[flipp jackson]

Tab sites being shut down forced me to learn to play by ear. Just sayin'
yeah but tablature can be very helpful to beginners who are getting into playing and want to learn. Apparently I haven't had to look at a tab in over two years but I was curious about a part I heard in a song and didn't want to take the time right now to figure it out. Sometimes it's helpful to have tabs when you're trying to figure out something really difficult and you want to see if you're on the right track.

I think it's a bad move ot take down the sites, i was just wondering if anyone agreed with me.

[gtrplyr7]

yeah but tablature can be very helpful to beginners who are getting into playing and want to learn. Apparently I haven't had to look at a tab in over two years but I was curious about a part I heard in a song and didn't want to take the time right now to figure it out. Sometimes it's helpful to have tabs when you're trying to figure out something really difficult and you want to see if you're on the right track.

I think it's a bad move ot take down the sites, i was just wondering if anyone agreed with me.

Of course everyone agrees with you. They only want the sites down so they can sell tab books. Its just like napster for tabs.

I used to print out tabs all period in computer class in middle school/high school. Until it got shut down in 1998.

[flipp jackson]

Of course everyone agrees with you. They only want the sites down so they can sell tab books. Its just like napster for tabs.

I used to print out tabs all period in computer class in middle school/high school. Until it got shut down in 1998.
man that's fucking lame. I don't know what i would've done in high school if I couldn't have looked up tabs

[Blindreepr]

Ya, copyright law in america pretty much sucks. Shit seriously needs to be updated along with an improved definition of fair use. olga was my number one tab site back in the day. Better than all these ad filled sites than they have now.

[upinhell]

what is a good (or the best) tap echo pedal

[JayCal]

Probably the Roladigitech SpaceEncapsulator 3000. Sommy will probably come in here and disagree, though.

[Squid]

http://www.bananas.com/multimedia/8440/MediumImage/8440_md.jpg
http://www.grandmas.com/shop/images/RE20pedal-large.jpg

[n!k )))]

I vote for the Space Echo Boss pedal, but only because it has the expression pedal option for the intensity control.

[upinhell]

Probably the Roladigitech SpaceEncapsulator 3000. Sommy will probably come in here and disagree, though.

can't find via google.

[Sommy]

The best? Well, the most expensive you're going to find is the Fulltone one; it's like $1000, and I think it's tap tempo.

bass combos are going to be puny for the "couple hundred bucks range." Especially to compete with an Orange head. Consider Ampeg's higher-watt combos (they have a 200W 1x15 for example) or be on the lookout for a used head / cabinet. I agree with Sommy about Markbass, except they reach peak volume quickly (at least the one I was trying) and look fucking stupid.

What are you, a fucking girl? If it looked like a pile of dung with a French flag planted in the top, I'd still play it if is sounded awesome.

[n!k )))]

I am a fucking girl.

[Thrash!]

http://www.metasonix.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=67

GNAWS YOUR FORESKIN OFF

[Biscuits & Schlitz]

I think I just want sticker for my head that says THE FUCKING FUCKER.

[Sommy]

I saw pictures of this from NAMM.

[Thrash!]

too bad the thing is 5 grand or i'd really consider buying it.

[Sommy]

Also, the close-up of the border around the "Fucking Fucker" logo is mindblowing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by7nNwQe_Sc

[JayCal]

Cool, but so ridiculously overpriced.

[Thrash!]

buy it jay

BUY IT

[Mave]

5 grand for a head?

the fuck? why?

[Sommy]

5 grand for a head?

the fuck? why?

First things first -- it's two totally independent amplifiers routed in stereo (for instance, there's about a six or seven-hundred dollar difference between the Diezel VH4 and VH4S).

Secondly, apparently it's all NOS tubes of rare types, with 23 tubes in total -- that alone could result in at least a thousand dollar difference in price. A quartet of NOS Mullard EL34s can run you well over a thousand dollars nowadays because they're so rare. We're talking about six times the number of total tubes; not that they all necessarily will cost that much, but they're all NOS, etc.

Thirdly, it seems it's all handwired in the US.

Fourth, he knows there's a market for weird boutique stuff. It might not be a fair price, but there are a few people who will pay for it, and at that price, you certainly don't have to crank out more than a few a year to make a nice profit.

What does throw me is that it's so much even though each independent power amp is only 15 watts; while price isn't entirely contingent upon wattage, there is a correlation between wattage and cost. Higher wattage means higher output tubes, more of them, bigger output transformers, etc.

[nomenclature]

The demo I saw from NAMM was so overly pretentious it was fucking ridiculous... I do understand that the guy behind it wanted to do something "different", but it was some noise guy that could barely play guitar randomly hitting notes... everything I've seen on the amp tells me it sounds like shit, but I'd still like to hear it actually tested out in some musical context... but not some wank shred shit either...

[Thrash!]

why did you type that in white

[Sommy]

The demo I saw from NAMM was so overly pretentious it was fucking ridiculous... I do understand that the guy behind it wanted to do something "different", but it was some noise guy that could barely play guitar randomly hitting notes... everything I've seen on the amp tells me it sounds like shit, but I'd still like to hear it actually tested out in some musical context... but not some wank shred shit either...


Trent Rezbro wants one, so obviously you don't get it.

BTW, the Scrotum Smasher sounds fucking shitty. I love it:

http://www.metasonix.com/TM7largealternateSM.jpg

That's some Khanate doomy sounding shit.

[WTA]

shit sounds like a devi ever bit pedal

[MattyCakes]

scrotum up ya ass

[Sommy]

THERE IS NO BYPASS ONLY ZUUL

[WTA]

what sucks about that nut pedal is that almost none of the features are practical for any reason, unless you want to "make noise properly". and dude, no.

[Sommy]

what sucks about that nut pedal is that almost none of the features are practical for any reason, unless you want to "make noise properly". and dude, no.

I dunno about that; the only thing I don't like about it is that there's no bypass switch.

It's cool, but I can get somewhat similar sounds with JayCal's Fuzz Factory he sold me.

[Thrash!]

Sommy, is there any way you could maybe record a clip of some stuff a Fuzz Factory can do with a bass? I'm thinking about getting one but I don't feel like driving 2 hours to try one out.

[Sommy]

I don't have a bass, so no. That, and I don't have good recording equipment :(

But I will say that the Fuzz Factory will kill pretty much all your low frequency response. It's a pedal that does most of its work in the treble end of the audio spectrum. The only way to really warm it up is with an EQ or running it in front of an overdriven amp.

Also, there is some inconsistency from pedal to pedal because it uses a germanium transistor. Your best bet unfortunately is trying out an individual pedal and making up your mind based on that, because germanium transistors are notoriously glitchy and their performance is contingent upon what is being run in front of them. But yeah, on the whole, they are extremely abrasive.

[defhalotones]

hey fags. I'm looking for the best bass guitar pedal for under $100. More sounds i can make, the better. Whats up?

[Tom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcCrTahsLg0

[Francis Wolcott]

underappreciated

[Camara]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b3SsYQrgcyA

so it looks like a beefed up sustainer, but it also has mute functions too. includes pedal that controls on board filter. pretty sweet, but $6000ish. (g)

[snarzdar]

Saw this elsewhere. Shit is illllllllllllllll.

[JayCal]

That's incredible.

[flipp jackson]

pretty fancy

[iscariot]

very cool

[encore]

awesome, but 6g's?!?!?!

[Jenkem Dealer]

Damn if this were in my price range I would buy it right now and start playing music again.

[Sommy]

Someone mentioned this at work the other day. "Sounds like a Fernandes Sustainer" is what I said, too, when the guy told me about it. I'll have to take a listen.

[JayCal]

it goes way beyond the sustainer

[Sommy]

Yeah, that's pretty awesome.

Can someone change the thread to "attn neckface" because I can't wait to hear how stupid this actually is and how it covers up bad playing or whatever.

[flipp jackson]

well all he needs is clean and distortion right. anything else is for fags

[n!k )))]

FINALLY a new tool for the musician that has unlimited money.

[JayCal]

pretty short-sighted and cynical statement

[Squid]

Yeah...price is the only downside...amazing instrument either way

[Tom]

being able to two hand two seperate sustaining parts is pretty fucking awesome. i cant imagine id be very into the muting though.

[allifound]

sign me up....that thing is amazing.....$6495....fuck

[WTA]

pretty short-sighted and cynical statement

post of the year

[flipp jackson]

as heard on the new lou reed album!

[n!k )))]

pretty short-sighted and cynical statement

haha... sorry to steal your short-sighted and cynical thunder.

[JayCal]

yuck yuck

[snarzdar]

I would honestly consider paying 6 grand for it. I wonder when they are available for sale and how much they will actually retail for.

[ryebread]

http://www.wallstreetfighter.com/2008/05/worlds-most-expensive-guitar-picks-4674.html

cool maybe?

[gtrplyr7]

http://acmesiren.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/spinaltap2.jpg
You see, these picks are made out of meteor.

[thewarning]

If anybody in the world buys one of those they will be struck by the next meteor.

[encore]

pretty dumb idea. im sure they could have whittled something more useful.

[JayCal]

http://acmesiren.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/spinaltap2.jpg
You see, these picks are made out of meteor.

haha, awesome.

i've always wanted a piece of space rock, for reals. not as a guitar pick, though.

[zt001]

Does badwong play guitar?

[sean so good]

that tom is playing, that is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeByR1TVurE

[nomenclature]

HARMONY STRATOTONE H44

first hit for "tom waits guitar" on google image search...

interestingly, this is like the 12th image brought up:

http://medias.ados.fr/people/5/9/5994/Shannyn-Sossamon/photos/1783.jpg

[sean so good]

thank you...and thank you.

[n!k )))]

http://www.tonezonemusic.co.uk/images/gallery/DSCF1615.jpg

Specifically, it's a late 50's model. It has one pickup and the art-deco pickguard. This would have to have been before the Airliner / Danelectro designs.

[sean so good]

she's kind of a babe huh?

that guitar and sossamon, either or.

[iamlark]

New video demonstration on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Li-_10mYc8

[downgrade]

astounding

[Sommy]

Makes me wish I had a spare $6000.

[novocaine]

parsec has wanted to build a polyphonic sustainer for years and was more recently getting around to actually doing it

this however, appears to be more than just a polyphonic sustainer.

http://moogmusic.com/moogguitar/?section=product&product_id=21130

difficult to get a genuine sense of the thing without playing it... but it appears it would be worth the $6k

[Sommy]

parsec has wanted to build a polyphonic sustainer for years and was more recently getting around to actually doing it

this however, appears to be more than just a polyphonic sustainer.

http://moogmusic.com/moogguitar/?section=product&product_id=21130

difficult to get a genuine sense of the thing without playing it... but it appears it would be worth the $6k

And interestingly enough, because the Moog guitar is a "legitimate" musical instrument, Jay seems to be all about it -- yet whenever Parsec would post about the sustainer he was working on, Jay would post a picture something like this:

http://www.mid.muohio.edu/computer/images/geek2.jpg

[House]

Anyone have any experience with and ESP LTD Viper-1000 or EC-1000? I was looking into getting a viper, but I saw that the EC-1000 had some good reviews on the web, and I like the green alot better than the purplish viper. I had my heart set on the viper, but I'm having second thoughts. Any opinions?

[MattyCakes]

you still loving that LTD huh. i personally think SG shapes, such as the viper are hideous looking. the EC on the other hand is pretty neat, with the belly cuts and shit. probably sound the same, really just a preference on physical appearance

[Hollow Light]

?
http://www.pulseonline.com/Schecter/bigDamienFR.jpg

[House]

Well I really like the EC, but I'm not so sure the 23rd and 24th frets will be easily accessible. I dig the SG shape, I'm just not too keen on the "see-thru black" finish which looks pretty much like purple. I wish the music superstore by me had them on hand so I could try them out.

[nomenclature]

for the money ECs are great guitars, although I prefer models from previous years with a flattop, rounded horn, and I could really do without the binding... I prefer the feel/weight to a LP... Vipers are just goofy looking and I would go with an SG if I was just going off of looks & not actual feel/playability...

?


the fuck outta here with that shit...

[House]

Man, I hate making decisions.

[JayCal]

that schecter is hideous

[Opio]

hey i have a guitar question. are these gay or what?

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail/0,,CNTID%25253D24770%252526CTID%25253D205300,00.ht ml

[JayCal]

seems gay

[House]

Yeah I'm gonna go with gay.

[gtrplyr7]

are those bat inlays?

[Horrorscope]

yep, it's gay.

[allison wonderland]

kinda hard to say

[Sommy]

hey i have a guitar question. are these gay or what?

http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail/0,,CNTID%25253D24770%252526CTID%25253D205300,00.ht ml

Actually, you can use them as a cheap guitar MIDI controller, which is pretty cool.

[MattyCakes]

Well I really like the EC, but I'm not so sure the 23rd and 24th frets will be easily accessible. I dig the SG shape, I'm just not too keen on the "see-thru black" finish which looks pretty much like purple. I wish the music superstore by me had them on hand so I could try them out.

why the hell would you need the 23rd and 24th frets anyway. to squeeze out one more e minor arp

[gtrplyr7]

why the hell would you need the 23rd and 24th frets anyway. to squeeze out one more e minor arp

*looks at your avatar

[MattyCakes]

*looks at your avatar

tells me about it, maybe i should change to a more approapriate picture of GOD

new image of HIM uploaded

[allifound]

why the hell would you need the 23rd and 24th frets anyway. to squeeze out one more e minor arp

yeah..or to play really high C# minor pentatonic runs or playing an E octave from the g string 21st fret+e string 24th fret.....bending up to an F# or even a G from the 24th fret...tons of stuff

[House]

Hey, if I have 23rd and 24th frets, I want to use them.

And I'd like to add that no one has been any help to me in determining which to get yet. Damn it.

[nomenclature]

Hey, I gave you my take on the two, you're more concerned about colour than anything... I'll tell you what you want to hear: don't get the flat/"clear" black, you'll always see it as purple and question your sexuality... get the viper, the colour will confirm your manliness...

[MattyCakes]

id tell you to get an ibanez or EBMM but you obviously dont want them.

they are both mahoghany with flame top, and EMG pickups, they gonna sound the same, just choose one that you like more

[JayCal]

i just sold a boss rv-3 to robben ford. i had to ship it overnight so he could use it on his board for his italy tour. talked to his guitar tech a bunch. dude said next time robben rolls through boston he'll get me free tickets. pretty sweet.

[House]

Hey, I gave you my take on the two, you're more concerned about colour than anything... I'll tell you what you want to hear: don't get the flat/"clear" black, you'll always see it as purple and question your sexuality... get the viper, the colour will confirm your manliness...

Actually you did give me actual advice. I think I'll go with the EC since it's lighter. I'm not that concerned with the color, I'd rather get the one I'll get the best use out of.

Also I have an ibanez, and I like it. I'm just looking for something new.

[WTA]

better watch them toes, jaycal's on the loose

[JayCal]

the fat guy is following me

[WTA]

classic jaycal response haha

one could set their watch by it to be sure

[JayCal]

classic fat guy pot-stirring to kick it off. go have a snack and calm down.

[WTA]

well maybe if you didn't namedrop like your survival depended on it we wouldn't be in this mess. its never cool. ever. sorry for calling you out, and sorry that you feel obligated to call me fat, but its just really lame.

[JayCal]

it's not name-dropping you shitheel. it really *is* ok to mention someone who happens to be famous. it's not automatically "name-dropping," i promise.

seriously, though, you're like if louis ck swallowed dom deluise. now get the e-fuck away from me.

[WTA]

sorry, too busy to reply sincerely, i'm out having that snack that you mentioned that's supposed to keep me from noticing you namedrop.

[JayCal]

cool, maybe you'll be less grumpy with more calories in your belly. lemme know. i suggest pie.

[Tom]

total name dropping jay, DENIAL

how many times are you gonna use the "go have a snack" line?

[WTA]

yeah, jay's U FAT-E yammering coupled with his "GUYS, HELP ME GET LESS FAT" thread is a fuckin' L-O-L.

[WhoWantsPie]

cool, maybe you'll be less grumpy with more calories in your belly. lemme know. i suggest pie.

You leave me the fuck out of this.

[JayCal]

total name dropping jay, DENIAL

Tom, pipe down, you're just as bad as this mofo. Answer me this, though - if someone went to see, say, Henry Rollins spoken word, and met him after the show, and they mentioned it on the board, would that be name dropping? Of course not. Learn wtf name dropping actually is - casually mentioning someone important/famous in the context of a story to elevate your own status/importance. If you can't see the difference between that and me saying I was psyched because I sold a guitar pedal to a famous dude on Ebay, you're a fuckin idiot. Both of you.

yeah, jay's U FAT-E yammering coupled with his "GUYS, HELP ME GET LESS FAT" thread is a fuckin' L-O-L.

The LOL is that I'm actually in really good shape already.

You leave me the fuck out of this.

Sorry :(

[Bartatua]

i like to use ebay

[n!k )))]

-Brian Ford

[House]

Hey Sommy, does Guitar Center not carry ESP guitars? (or does someone else know?)

[flipp jackson]

i would imagine so

[big tom hurk]

my amp just got really quiet

do i need new tubes?

[Sommy]

my amp just got really quiet

do i need new tubes?

Could be a number of things. Mostly likely it's the power tubes, but it could be the screen resistors, output transformer, etc. You need to take it to a tech to figure it out.

[big tom hurk]

okay so i just turned it off and back on and it seems to be working fine

[Sommy]

okay so i just turned it off and back on and it seems to be working fine

Take it to a tech. If it is the tubes or the screen resistors, you don't want to have to pay several hundred extra dollars just to replace the output transformer.

[WhoWantsPie]

I sold a head to a guy on ebay once. After he received the amp, he spent the next 3 days e-mailing and leaving angry messages on my answering machine, claiming that the head didn't work, that I was a jerk for selling him a bum amp, and that he was going to get both ebay and the legal system involved. Turns out the cabinet he was using was fucked up. I still hear his angry voice in my head once and a while. Amps, you know?

[Abraham Lincoln]

U got the mute button on

[big tom hurk]

U got the mute button on

mute means no sound

i said really quiet

fuckin cutie

[Neva]

really quiet means nothing to the clown

[Tom]

OPINIONS WANTED: GIBSON LES PAUL VS LES PAUL SPECIAL

[Blindreepr]

OPINIONS WANTED: GIBSON LES PAUL VS LES PAUL SPECIAL

I've got a Gibson Les Paul Special and it's pretty sweet.

[n!k )))]

OPINIONS WANTED: GIBSON LES PAUL VS LES PAUL SPECIAL

The Special is also a Gibson then?

I need info, Tom. What pickups / What color.

[Tom]

i dont think color matters. ive always kinda wanted a les paul, but the weight of it is a turnoff. the special appears to be thinner, and the body is flat, which just looks better to me. ive read reviews that claim it sounds just as good as a standard, so im just curious if anyone has any experience.

[Blindreepr]

the special does have a flat body. It's still heavy as hell though. Some specials have p90's while some have humbuckers. What kind of pick ups does the one you are looking at have?

[n!k )))]

The Les Paul is heavy, but if you get a wider leather strap you hardly notice. I'm biased, but I'm a fan of them. The Studio has a chambered body (semi-hollow) that eases up on the weight a bit if that's your primary concern.

[csb]

my amp just got really quiet

do i need new tubes?

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n38/danosimp3/SpinalTap_Amp_11.jpg

[Tom]

the special does have a flat body. It's still heavy as hell though. Some specials have p90's while some have humbuckers. What kind of pick ups does the one you are looking at have?
humbuckers. im talking about the specials that actually look like les pauls, not the double cut away ones.

[n!k )))]

I was asking because Gibson has quite a few different types of humbuckers with different outputs / flavors of tone. But if you think it sounds good, I'd say go for it. Just pick up, like I said, a nice wide, (3.5" +) leather strap to balance the weight on your shoulder better.

http://www.americanmusical.com/ProductImages/Large/p1791.jpg

[JayCal]

single cuts are gay

[MattyCakes]

single cuts are gay

gibson is gay, yea i said it

[n!k )))]

post your guitars Matty.

[JayCal]

ha. at least they're metal as fuck, though.

[MattyCakes]

post your guitars Matty.

jp6.jpeg
jp7.jpeg

and i know that was a crack at my older ibanez's though, but i would still play an ibanez over a gibson anyday

[DickScream]

I had $3000 in gear stolen from me a year ago so I'm slowly getting everything back. After that happened I had Gibson SG donated to me for free, which is pretty rad. Not a big fan of the SG's but I can't really complain when it's free.

I bought one of these a few months ago.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/faultedoptimist/tempest.jpg

and I play through a Mesa Dual Rect with an arsenal of pedals.

[Sommy]

jp6.jpeg
jp7.jpeg

u serious

[MattyCakes]

yea why?

[neverender]

if anyone a bit more i the know on certain boutique-type pedals and some of the more general pedal's model names/numbers could help me out with this that'd be great.

i saw spiritualized last wednesday and all in all it was an amazing show, but the thing that stood out the most was during some the songs they would just go into this crazy wall of sound type thing consisting of tremolo drones and a ton of wah modulation. i have pictures of each guitar player's pedal board and there are a few pedals on each i can't identify that i'd like help with. since i have a few of the pedals on each board and access to a few more i was gonna try to put them together and maybe see if i can get something close to the whole trem drone wah washout thing that they utilized so well throughout their set.

board 1 (j spaceman)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/2699264033_bcda5060a2.jpg

from right to left

boss tu-2 tuner*--->pro co turbo rat*--->colorsound wah (not sure on this one)--->boss tremolo of some sort (help w/model name/#)--->no idea what this one is. kindof looks like phase 90 or something but who knows?
this was all plugged into a jcm 800 head into an angled jcm 800 cab (pretty sure about this. i was also kindof surprised he wasn't using the h&m but he probably didn't want to fly over and figured renting a marshall was easier)

he wasn't running any rack mount effects (at least not on stage, could have had some going at either the monitor mixing station of front of house board but i doubt it. seemed pretty straight forward)

board 2 ("doggen")
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3149/2699264397_66ba3d5854.jpg

from right to left

boss volume pedal (no idea on model #)--->either the tu-2 or the boss overdrive/distortion (no idea on model number)--->some sort of wah. crybaby maybe?--->vintage boss delay--->one of those newer big muff pedals that i'm unfamiliar with--->no idea what that last orange pedal is(help??) also has that ac/dc power block thing on there too. this all went into a silverface twin reverb with reverb/trem switch a few feet to the right of his main board. didn't see him use it much, if at all.

any help with the mystery pedals would be apprecaited. again all i'm really trying to get out of this is a general idea of what the fuck was making that intense jet-engine like racket. some combination of fuzz, trem, and wah i think. just gotta find the right pedal comb.

[WTA]

http://www.bossarea.com/images/PN2.jpg

[n!k )))]

That wah is a 70's Colorsound "Straight" Wah Fuzz
http://members.chello.nl/~t.heertjes/wah/colors.jpg

The orange pedal is a new BBE Boosta Grande, clean boost pedal. From the angle it's hard to say, but in the first pedal board that orange pedal may be this pedal as well. The knob and switch are the same, layout the same. Is the light just blocking out the art work or is it blank?
http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/3/7/9/565379.jpg

The black wah is, without question, a Crybaby.

[WTA]

unnecessary post

[WTA]

the orange pedal in the other board is without a doubt the boosta grande, they have the same white "output" text on the side.

[n!k )))]

As long as I am here, I recently picked this up:

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/6/2/6/432626.jpg

As soon as I am able (have to wait for GC's 12/15 month no payment thing):
Bootzilla Wah Fuzz, Bass Micro Synthesizer, a pedal board (recommendations?)

[nomenclature]

a pedal board (recommendations?)

build your own? I'll eventually be building mine, will be cheaper than buying one and I can make it exactly what I need...


In gear related news, I finally picked up a micro pog... I'm not sold on using it w/ clean guitar, and single notes sound cheesy, but put my Torn's Peaker fuzz in front of it = instant Jesu...

I'm also ordering a Blackstone Mosfet Overdrive if they ever get more circuit boards in stock... http://www.mindspring.com/~j.blackstone/

after that, pedal power 2 (maybe more than one), and eventually a Sherman Filterbank... I'm selling a bunch of stuff to fund the new stuff, so beware of the inevitable "buy my shit" thread...

[Sommy]

[img]a pedal board (recommendations?)

Try to find an MKS MPS Pedal Pad Lite -- The Lite series is significantly less than the standard series because it's not housed in a road case (has a bag, instead), and you can get the equivalent of the full-sized MKS pedal pad for about a 1/4 of the cost. I'm not sure if they make the Lite series anymore, but when I got mine, I got Pedal Pad XL Lite for about $40 (and that's with a pretty good power conditioner, too). If you have to, try to grab a used one on Ebay. They even come with a gig bag that is pretty handy even if it's not nearly as protective as a road case.

The standard series ones are cool, too, particularly because they're house in a road case, but they're quite a bit more.

http://www.pedalpad.com

[neverender]

THANKS FOR THE HELP NICKS

[Sommy]

Anyone have experience using a cello bow on guitar? I'm basically looking to rip off Sigur Ros to some degree, but I'm kind of broke right now and don't want to get a bow if my strings are just going to tear up the horsehair.

If you have used a bow or use one regularly...

1) ...do you use roundwound or flatwound strings, and why?
2) ...if you use roundwound strings, how quickly did the horsehair get torn up?
3) ...how much does it cost to uh, rehair a bow?
4) ...do you have any experience with bows that use synthetic material? How were they?
5) ...do you have any other recommendations?

[MattyCakes]

http://www.drumcityguitarland.com/drumcitygl/stores/1/images/Jackson%20Custom%20Shop/Jackson%202008%20USA%20Custom%20Shop%20Alien%20Gra phic%20%202%20Dinky%20Telly%20neck-thru%206-String%20Electric.jpg

hrm..

[n!k )))]

do not even tell me you own that guitar.

[WTA]

your taste in anything is null.

[MattyCakes]

no but its a pretty cool effect. sorry i dont own any firebirds wta and 600 pedals
just because you dont like ibanez or ebmm doesnt mean i have bad taste, i might mean you care too much
i did get a new jaunt though, sold the jp7 got this. i actually had this on order and planned to sell the jp7, so it worked out nicely

http://i38.tinypic.com/xfn9lw.jpg

[MattyCakes]

ha. at least they're metal as fuck, though.

they were not metal as fuck, you dont even remember them son

[WTA]

i play keys, dipshit. that's just one fucking ugly guitar (that you're contemplating buying).

[MattyCakes]

i play keys, dipshit. that's just one fucking ugly guitar (that you're contemplating buying).

where in the world did i say i was contemplating buying it?

if hrm... constitutes a group of words "thinking about buying it" call up webster, tell him to change up the dictionary

[WTA]

yeah, i know i post shit in the "guitar gear discussion thread" that i'm not contemplaying buying. semantics is for fags.

[MattyCakes]

hey sommy, i dont know if you could help me out here, but if you know the ball park price on one of these that would be awesome. assuming you still work at GC.

http://www.prsguitars.com/standardsatin/index.html

[JayCal]

PRS Standards are fuckin awesome.

[MattyCakes]

true dat my brotha. i played this one jaunt that had the "wide thin" neck. i dont like the slick ones, but that satin jaunt was really nice. plus that charcoal finish is awesome. i dont play either of my EBMMs really, they just kinda sit there. unfortunate, cause they both are sweet, i still play my RGA121 the most. i like the fixed bridge most of all really.

[WTA]

http://i38.tinypic.com/xfn9lw.jpg

haha, i just realized, who takes pictures like this

[MattyCakes]

haha, i just realized, who takes pictures like this

not my picture, guy i bought it from

[JayCal]

true dat my brotha. i played this one jaunt that had the "wide thin" neck. i dont like the slick ones, but that satin jaunt was really nice. plus that charcoal finish is awesome. i dont play either of my EBMMs really, they just kinda sit there. unfortunate, cause they both are sweet, i still play my RGA121 the most. i like the fixed bridge most of all really.

I actually like the 22 fret wide/fat neck the best, but I don't shred at all.

[MattyCakes]

well i like the thin ones because i have girlie hands, not because i can(cant) to shred. my technique has gotten horrible over the past couple of months

[JayCal]

Pretty sweet one-two punch with the avatars, btw.

[muchmaligned]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/faultedoptimist/tempest.jpg

dude near here is selling one of these in Vintage White for $350. Deal? I like Schecters a lot and have been planning to pick one up for a while now. i know some of you dudes endorse Schecters, just looking for opinions on this one.

[n!k )))]

I don't know man. No cyber dragon predator airbrush art?

My old roommate had a mid-level Schecter guitar and I would say buy it, then replace the pickups and get rid of that plastic nut for a bone one and you're good to go. On my roommies guitar I thought those were the only two things skimped on. The body contours were really comfortable and it looked well made.

[JayCal]

looks like something a chooch would play

[Tom]

all depends on if you want to be as cool as THE BLED

http://www.returntothepit.com/rttppics/the_bled055_58201.jpg

lolz

[JayCal]

see, i knew it

[muchmaligned]

yikes. that might be a deal breaker.

[LoveMet4L]

I'm in the market for a new acoustic. Looking at Martins... any advice?

[JayCal]

Yeah, buy a Taylor.

[Sommy]

Real men play Martin over Taylor, unless if you like shitty electronics and no midrange.

[JayCal]

Electronics? F U.

[Sommy]

Electronics? F U.

You can't seriously like the Expression System.

I'm biased, though, since I pretty much dislike any piezo system. No air to it. I'd rather just mic the guitar up and use a high-quality magnetic soundhole pickup for the direct line.

I'm in the market for a new acoustic. Looking at Martins... any advice?

1) What kind of sound are you going for (favorite artists? do you like midrange? etc)?

2) What price range?

3) Are you open to other suggestions besides just Martin?

[JayCal]

Who said anything about electronics/pickups?

[Sommy]

I actually like the 22 fret wide/fat neck the best, but I don't shred at all.

Honestly, even if you do shred, I think it's better to go with at least a fatter neck (not necessarily wider) because it's a better ergonomic design -- it fills up your entire hand. Playing thin necks is a good way to get carpal tunnel.

Who said anything about electronics/pickups?

Uh, I did. When you started talking about Taylor.

If that's a moot point, then fine. I don't think bolt-on necks belong on acoustic guitars.

[MattyCakes]

Playing thin necks is a good way to get carpal tunnel.

having correct technique is a way to prevent carpal tunnel

[Sommy]

having correct technique is a way to prevent carpal tunnel

Please, do us all a favor and write us a treatise on correct technique.

The fat neck puts your hand in a position that "correct technique" will to begin with, so there's no advantage to the thin neck. Case closed.

[Thrash!]

1600, should i buy this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120311843328

[n!k )))]

1600, should i buy this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120311843328

How dare you not get on AIM.

Yes. A new case is $230 and you could fix that one for much less, if that's what you're worried about.